04. mental link
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COMMAND over oneself and others | AMBITION nothing will stand in my way |
ORDER chaos will not be tolerated | MANY over the individual |
COMMAND over oneself and others | AMBITION nothing will stand in my way |
ORDER chaos will not be tolerated | MANY over the individual |
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Date: 2016-05-06 03:39 am (UTC)I see, I suppose dubious congratulations are in line. [ Castor. What a mess. Hux has a fairly good idea of where this is about to go and isn't surprised at all when Kylo Ren comes up as a topic. Figures. It was only a matter of time. Perhaps Steve said something, which honestly isn't a bad idea, all things considered. ]
That depends. He can be difficult, though usually it has something to do with proving himself to someone. In this case, it's Cathaway. [ A beat, as he thinks it over. ] Quite unfortunately, the other side of it is that he believes he's doing what's best. His judgment is rather skewed.
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Date: 2016-05-06 03:49 am (UTC)Yeah, we kind of... played chicken with sanity for a while, and then he told me I should go chat with Cathaway. Apparently doesn't think much of Prince inversely.
[ sam anders, since when did you start saying words like inversely in normal conversation? probably around the time he started to know what exactly the vascular ring in the brain does and why you need it. aside from it being a part of your frakking brain. but either way, that was the impression he got. that ren thought it was pick a side, and since he was on cathaway's that made prince the enemy. then again, who knows. ]
So what's... 'what's best' here? What's the goal he's headed for?
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Date: 2016-05-09 12:34 am (UTC)He doesn't. Cathaway is something of a replacement to who he served before we got here. [ Anyone who knew Snoke would be able to draw the same parallel. ] I believe she proved her power over him in a way that he understood. Prince hasn't done the same– Ren doesn't always hold regard for those he should.
[ Oops maybe that's a tiny bit personal, considering how much Ren ignored his rank. ]
Hard to say, he fluctuates. Our shared goal before was order and he absolutely believed in it. His methods of achieving it were drastic and tended more towards chaos, though. It would be in line if he continued to pursue the idea of order here as well.
[ Which, granted, he will be too. He can't shed that part of himself. ]
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Date: 2016-05-09 02:30 am (UTC)[ there's a passing moment that Sam considers if he could cripple Ren, mentally, once he'd gotten up to the full health and mental strength he ought to be at, if he'd actually let floodgates open in something that isn't so blocked and controlled by the symbiote. But, that's not Sam. And he isn't going there. The Hybrid state of him, which can be much, much harsher, perhaps, but not Sam. He's seen where that leads, and he's suffered it before. he has no interest in recreating it, even if it were possible.
He doesn't want to control Kylo Ren, he wants to understand him.
And that thought brings him to the second issue here. The goal of order. When existing naturally, order is a beautiful thing. When man, or other sentient life, intends to enact order on other life, that breeds more violent and conflicting chaos than anything else. Sam, of course, doesn't communicate this to Hux, because he'd said our shared goal, and while Sam might be honest, he isn't stupid. ]
There's a few in our brood that don't seem to fall in line with Ren or that Ren doesn't seem to think much of. How likely is it, do you think, that he'll try to force them? [ as much as he wants peace between them, that can't be at the expense of the freedoms of the others. ]
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Date: 2016-05-10 11:36 pm (UTC)[ Because military power and rank meant absolutely nothing to him, it seemed like. ] Previously, we both served Leader Snoke. Ren did moreso, since he was something of an apprentice to him.
[ How strange this is to talk about. Snoke is out of the picture and Hux keeps swinging back and forth between being relieved and having a weird sense of anxiousness about it. His whole life there's usually been someone above him in rank in some way. The relative freedom is a blessing, though he's not past the part where it's unnerving. ]
That's difficult to answer. [ Hux frowns at the admission. He can sense the other man wants to know as much as possible. It's hard with Kylo Ren, since while he knows him from working alongside, he still doesn't understand everything. Most of his interactions have been weathering the storm. ]
It depends on his interest. If someone isn't on his radar, he doesn't even seem to bother. But, if he sees something in them, his behavior can be borderline obsessive. I can't say he fully gets the difference in persuasion versus force.
[ Or he does, but he's impossibly bad in his execution. ]
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Date: 2016-05-11 11:10 pm (UTC)I see. [ Sam mutters, thinking that over. ] I'd think if he found someone to obsess over in the brood, it'd be obvious by now.
[ he and ilde seem like friends, and he hasn't actually seen Ren with Anakin yet. so maybe that's a surprise coming. either way, it's something to keep in mind. watch for. ]
Is there anything I should know about him? Any things that'll piss him off?
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Date: 2016-05-12 03:41 am (UTC)He has an interesting relationship towards Anakin; likely because they're both Force users. Same with Ahsoka. I don't wholly understand all the nuances there, though.
[ Light and the dark. Ren had explained some of it, but it's a concept he finds mostly puzzling. ]
His temper is as easy to set off as a flame to fuel cells. I'd say he behaves himself for the most part, but that isn't precisely true.
[ Ren behaves when he feels like it. Which is almost never. ] As long as you keep in mind that he has a terrible sense of judgment, it'll be easier to stay out of the way when he decides to go off on a tantrum.
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Date: 2016-05-12 04:37 am (UTC)It's the bit about Anakin that has Sam's head tilting for a moment. ]
Interesting? Define interesting. [ Interesting could be good or could be bad. Anakin hadn't really seemed fond of Ren, so maybe more on the bad side. ]
His last tantrum got a Host killed. I don't need to get out of his way, I need to have him not do it. [ sam's not concerned about himself here. hell, considering how he's not actually happy to have been yanked away from the death he was headed for, sam probably wouldn't have much issue throwing himself in front of a tantrum to stop it from getting brought back to the Nest. ] Or I need a way to make sure it only happens in a safe environment.
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Date: 2016-05-16 01:34 am (UTC)[ At this, Hux allows himself a half-shrug. Trying to understand all the divides and what makes Anakin and Ahsoka different from Ren is dizzying. Eventually, he'll get it. Right now? He doesn't have all the pieces. ]
That wasn't entirely on his shoulders, even if his violent action didn't do much to help the situation. [ No, Ilde's decision was the primary catalyst and unfortunately Ren took everything too personally. The attack towards Steve had set him off easy. Hux frowns, still turning the entire scene around in his mind. If he'd said something sooner– ]
If you're trying to ask how to control him, you've come to the wrong person.
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Date: 2016-05-21 08:10 am (UTC)[ which is half absent minded commentary. from what Sam's known of divine universal forces, they're above concepts like good and evil, things that men dream up. but there had definitely been that stark duality in Ren and what he'd experienced of the Force while in his mind.
it is what it is. no point arguing it. ] So Anakin's on... what? The nice people side of the Force?
[ is that what it is? he doesn't want to say 'good', for the fact it just slams Ren right into evil, and people are more complicated than that. but that seems to be painted pretty clear already. if for nothing else than the fact he walks around in all black and a creepy looking mask. ] No one's really giving clear details about Avera. I got that Ilde killed someone, and Ren took out a lot of guards, so it came out to bounty hunters, but it looked like self-defense gone overboard, so the blame's pointed to Ilde and Ren.
[ Ren had been pretty clear about his lack of remorse for it, but who even knows what that means. Steve hadn't really given him a lot, either. it'd been frustrating enough that Sam just decided to stop asking. still, the last part has a sharp laugh coming from him. ]
I doubt anyone could control him. You'd probably get yourself killed for trying. [ because Sam knows what the recoil from control looks like. catastrophe. ] I'm asking how to reason with him. Before bodies start dropping.
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Date: 2016-05-22 01:50 am (UTC)[ Politics, people, ships, weapons– it didn't matter. It was the nature of people (maybe humans more specifically) to choose. To clearly delineate their stances on everything from food to the bigger moral decisions. Obviously, not everything was so black and white, but so many strived for the clarity that existed there. Hux thinks that maybe the Force users are much the same there, trying to pull their sway on how it's used, trying to get those on the other side to understand. Or convert. ]
I don't know; their...politics don't make much sense to anyone who doesn't have the same power. All I know is that the Force is an old power, with the struggle spanning generations. The typical push and pull to re-assert balance.
[ One side triumphs and the other plans to rise above them again. It happened with the Empire and the Rebellion and will echo in other sects. ]
It's– complicated, somewhat. Ilde murdered someone with seemingly little reason. Word spread quickly and Ren, Steve, and I were unfortunate enough to run into a heavily guarded merchant who decided that applying force to the situation would be the best tactic. A guard attacked Steve; I suppose you can imagine how well that went over with Ren, considering they're broodmates.
[ Hux gives him a pointed look, though his tone isn't judgmental over the action. If he thought it wouldn't get them in more trouble, he likely would've let Ren run loose for the merchant's audacity. ] Things spiraled out of hand faster than we anticipated.
[ In the end, it was salvaged, but just barely. So much damage in so little time. ]
That is a heavy request, Sam. [ He spreads his hands, palms face up and fingers spread loosely. ] All I can tell you is that he and I have worked together for a while and I still don't know the tried and true answer. Just be careful with how you approach him in any attempt.
[ He's volatile and that's the only thing that's remained consistent. ] His decisions, as mentioned, are always made with the idea that he's doing the right thing in his mind. Always.
[ And occasionally, he hits it right on the mark. At this, Hux pushes himself out of his seat, smoothing the creases in his pants as he does. Parts of this conversation are dipping into territory he'd rather not tread. It hits too close to his and Ren's argument, to parts of himself. ]
If you need assistance at any point, feel free to contact me.
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Date: 2016-05-26 12:58 am (UTC)while he doesn't pick up on the tension that Hux starts to build, Sam's settled with the conversation ending there, and genuinely grateful for how much he'd been given. any insight is helpful, and he hadn't been expecting to have all the work done for him at all to begin with.
After all, the conversations they'd had previously had been enjoyable, and mostly civil. It'd told him a lot about the man. ]
Of course. You've been more than helpful either way, thank you. [ Sam pushes himself to stand, ready to head back to the training wing, giving a small lift of a hand in parting. ] I'll see you around.