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COMMAND
over oneself and others



AMBITION
nothing will stand in my way



ORDER
chaos will not be tolerated



MANY
over the individual






Date: 2016-05-06 03:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frakkincylons
Still trying to figure that one out myself. [ Said with a slight chuckle. Yeah, Sam knows he drew the short stick here, but one way or another, these are his people, and it's not something like putting in a request to switch bunks. they're all stuck together now. But the mention of Cathaway specifically, that seems to fit with what he'd come to know about Ren. ]

Yeah, we kind of... played chicken with sanity for a while, and then he told me I should go chat with Cathaway. Apparently doesn't think much of Prince inversely.

[ sam anders, since when did you start saying words like inversely in normal conversation? probably around the time he started to know what exactly the vascular ring in the brain does and why you need it. aside from it being a part of your frakking brain. but either way, that was the impression he got. that ren thought it was pick a side, and since he was on cathaway's that made prince the enemy. then again, who knows. ]

So what's... 'what's best' here? What's the goal he's headed for?

Date: 2016-05-09 02:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frakkincylons
So he respects power. That makes sense, with him. [ Cathaway had proven it over him and Prince had not. From what Sam had seen of Ren's mind, that's hardly a surprised. ] Who did he serve before?

[ there's a passing moment that Sam considers if he could cripple Ren, mentally, once he'd gotten up to the full health and mental strength he ought to be at, if he'd actually let floodgates open in something that isn't so blocked and controlled by the symbiote. But, that's not Sam. And he isn't going there. The Hybrid state of him, which can be much, much harsher, perhaps, but not Sam. He's seen where that leads, and he's suffered it before. he has no interest in recreating it, even if it were possible.

He doesn't want to control Kylo Ren, he wants to understand him.

And that thought brings him to the second issue here. The goal of order. When existing naturally, order is a beautiful thing. When man, or other sentient life, intends to enact order on other life, that breeds more violent and conflicting chaos than anything else. Sam, of course, doesn't communicate this to Hux, because he'd said our shared goal, and while Sam might be honest, he isn't stupid. ]


There's a few in our brood that don't seem to fall in line with Ren or that Ren doesn't seem to think much of. How likely is it, do you think, that he'll try to force them? [ as much as he wants peace between them, that can't be at the expense of the freedoms of the others. ]

Date: 2016-05-11 11:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frakkincylons
What was Snoke training him for? [ they'd both served him, but Hux doesn't have the kind of power rolling off of him like Ren does, The Force he'd called it. He's so much a warrior, so maybe it'd been something combat related. ]

I see. [ Sam mutters, thinking that over. ] I'd think if he found someone to obsess over in the brood, it'd be obvious by now.

[ he and ilde seem like friends, and he hasn't actually seen Ren with Anakin yet. so maybe that's a surprise coming. either way, it's something to keep in mind. watch for. ]

Is there anything I should know about him? Any things that'll piss him off?

Date: 2016-05-12 04:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frakkincylons
[ with the Force, okay, that makes sense. the torrent that is the Force in Ren's head is chaotic, destructive mess, so yeah, training would be good. or Snoke's just a shit teacher.

It's the bit about Anakin that has Sam's head tilting for a moment. ]


Interesting? Define interesting. [ Interesting could be good or could be bad. Anakin hadn't really seemed fond of Ren, so maybe more on the bad side. ]

His last tantrum got a Host killed. I don't need to get out of his way, I need to have him not do it. [ sam's not concerned about himself here. hell, considering how he's not actually happy to have been yanked away from the death he was headed for, sam probably wouldn't have much issue throwing himself in front of a tantrum to stop it from getting brought back to the Nest. ] Or I need a way to make sure it only happens in a safe environment.

Date: 2016-05-21 08:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frakkincylons
I'm surprised the Force has sides, honestly.

[ which is half absent minded commentary. from what Sam's known of divine universal forces, they're above concepts like good and evil, things that men dream up. but there had definitely been that stark duality in Ren and what he'd experienced of the Force while in his mind.

it is what it is. no point arguing it. ]
So Anakin's on... what? The nice people side of the Force?

[ is that what it is? he doesn't want to say 'good', for the fact it just slams Ren right into evil, and people are more complicated than that. but that seems to be painted pretty clear already. if for nothing else than the fact he walks around in all black and a creepy looking mask. ] No one's really giving clear details about Avera. I got that Ilde killed someone, and Ren took out a lot of guards, so it came out to bounty hunters, but it looked like self-defense gone overboard, so the blame's pointed to Ilde and Ren.

[ Ren had been pretty clear about his lack of remorse for it, but who even knows what that means. Steve hadn't really given him a lot, either. it'd been frustrating enough that Sam just decided to stop asking. still, the last part has a sharp laugh coming from him. ]

I doubt anyone could control him. You'd probably get yourself killed for trying. [ because Sam knows what the recoil from control looks like. catastrophe. ] I'm asking how to reason with him. Before bodies start dropping.

Date: 2016-05-26 12:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frakkincylons
[ Sam's attention is rapt, taking note of all the details he's given, and even if it isn't a sure-fire, fool proof methodology for handling Ren's fits better, it's advice that will help (and that he'll screw up with a bit later).

while he doesn't pick up on the tension that Hux starts to build, Sam's settled with the conversation ending there, and genuinely grateful for how much he'd been given. any insight is helpful, and he hadn't been expecting to have all the work done for him at all to begin with.

After all, the conversations they'd had previously had been enjoyable, and mostly civil. It'd told him a lot about the man. ]


Of course. You've been more than helpful either way, thank you. [ Sam pushes himself to stand, ready to head back to the training wing, giving a small lift of a hand in parting. ] I'll see you around.

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